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AFC East. AFC North. AFC South. AFC West. NFC East. NFC North. NFC South. NFC West. AL East. AL Central. Ryan was, and still is, my favorite player.
But I have to mention one that you didn't include: Satchel Paige. Per Hack Wilson his fastball "looked like a marble when it crossed the plate" and Dizzy Dean said his "fastball made his own look like a changeup". Beyond that, I know of no other to speak about.
Great read here, and I enjoyed it immensely. He was an amazing sample of a human in regards to the physical, that's for sure. No one but Nolan played that many seasons I was 12 years old then I can't even express how happy I was when the Rangers got him, as I don't live too far out of Dallas - and I was there at his second to last MLB start, he was 46 years old, throwing regular 96 mph fastballs, and his cureveball was devastating.
Nolan Ryan was a bit before my time, but I agree that Clemens was special as well with his velocity, but i haven't seen anyone like Verlander or Champan or Zumaya for that matter. With something like this , it is very important to include relievers. It's a feat to throw the ball over mph. It doesn't matter if he's only throwing one inning or nine.
People forget that Champman was a starter still throwing mph late in the games in Cuba. That's also what makes Justin Verlander special as he has been clocked over mph quite a few times late in games.
Not sure I agree entirely, Mark. I haven't had coffee yet so I'm not feeling too up to thinking a lot; but one thing for sure, fans like to see those impressive numbers, so there's likely some sales involved in it all. Nolan Ryan, in his prime with the Angels, got clocked at roughly MPH measured only 10 feet in front of home plate.
Mark Wohlers pitched for years on TBS and threw his better fastballs in the mid to upper 90's. Why did he, all of a sudden, start throwing pitches ? Because the modern guns that came out at that time measured the speed at the release, not down toward home plate. It has nothing to do with "airing it out". Pitchers have always "aired it out".
It has to do with the reference point. And that is why they seem to throw harder as a group today. It's that simple. Sunshine, if there were hardball leagues for people my age I would be in heaven, and I wouldn't care what injuries I got in the process!
FSlovenec , Thanks very very much! I've never got to meet a solitary player; but I sure enjoy the game! Well done I love the game, have been a fan since at age 5 in Cleveland. Yes of course! Thing is There was a game once where Nolan Ryan threw nearly three hundred pitches It's always sad to me to see how so many come and go I enjoyed reading this hub, although it was heart-breaking to see what happened to J.
I never knew his story before now. I suppose it's fair to include relievers, but I think the starters who had to pace themselves for a whole game deserve the lion's share of credit.
Statistical joy in Baseball! WWII sure screwed it up some Interesting hub. I always think about what could have been with guys like Bob Feller and Ted Williams. I voted this hub up.
In the old days, they only wore leg pads, gloves and the vital 'box' or genital protector. But nowadays helmets are always worn too. Hey Paraglider! I'd love to be a Cricket man!
I've never seen it played or televised in the USA I know it is similar to baseball in some ways, but that is all I know! Hey Tom, I was going to ask you about that - Chapman starting, I mean. I'm hoping that our Feliz comes back from surgery okay That means Feliz would be right there with Chapman if it works out Cool deal seeing Koufax pitch! I got to see Nolan a few times over the three seasons he played with Texas - we used to go as a family quite a bit back then.
OK fucker I'm back, damn you guys. I not only got to see Koufax pitch at Crosley Field but he played college ball where? The University of Cincinnati! And I only lived 2 blocks from there so I saw him pitch there before the majors. I really do gotta' stop :-P.
Hi Wesman - I guess you're not a cricket man, but for a long time the fastest ever cricket bowler was a Wes- Wes Hall Wesley of the West Indies, credited with mph deliveries. But the truth is that nobody really knew before the technology was there, to measure accurately. I'm not sure the weight of a baseball? WTF man? Less than 1 month man and I'm fired up too.
We got rid of some dead weight in the off season and picked up a good lead off hitter and Chapman might be starting this year which has been the plan all along. We got a guy in the minors Louisville named Billy Hamilton that's probably gonna' be up next year that you will hear about if you haven't already. Hits over. Last year he got the AA record can't remember the exact but it was well over I gotta' stop man, it's your fault though.
Go Reds!! Go Rangers!! Go baseball except the Cardinals, fuck them :- Good hub, I've gotten to see some of those guys pitch. See there I go again.
It's pretty certain Sandy Koufax could throw that hard too - I remember reading that when he came up he was known for a monster fastball, but he couldn't find the strike zone Nolan Ryan, in my opinion Great overview of the greatest pitchers, Wes. I also appreciate the chess-like mastery of Sandy Koufax. But I agree, there is Nolan Ryan, and then everyone else. How in God's name can a human arm throw so hard for so long and not just fall off?
Great Hub! He quickly became one of the top power pitchers in the American League, no small feat on a team that still included Bob Feller, Bob Lemon and other top pitchers, going 16—10 with a 2. He appeared on the cover of Sports Illustrated magazine on May 30, It was the first time in MLB history a regular starting pitcher averaged over one strikeout per inning.
Vellur - thanks very much! As I'm near Dallas, Texas - we're all waiting to see what our Neftali Feliz can do when he returns from his surgery later this year! This is an awesome hub and I really enjoyed reading it. All of the players you have listed were or are still very hard throwers. I remember Bob Feller as a young kid when he was in the twilight of his career with the Indians. Didn't Cleveland in also have a young hard-thrower by the name of Herb Score who saw his season come to an end when he was hit in the face or head by a line drive off the bat of Gil MacDougal?
Voted up and sharing with followers and on Facebook. Also Pinning. An interesting read, great write. I know the game baseball and how it is played.
Never knew so much, informative and interesting hub. Voted up. Jools99 - Thanks very very much! Yeah, I'd have loved to have been able to find some video of Dalkowski, but I don't guess there is any out there anywhere. Johnson was supposedly to be in the high 90s.
Remember that in Johnson day the hitters used much heavier bats. So even if it is true that he threw 90 mph at top speed They would pick there moments to unload. I am rewatching the series little by little, and today I started Inning 2. In the discussion of Walter Johnson, the great point was made that it really doesn't matter if he was as fast or faster than the pitchers today, but that he was SO much faster than most of the pitchers at the time.
So even if he was only throwing in the lows, most pitchers were probably in the mids, so that would be a significant difference. Especially since as was mentioned there were other factors like the hitters' bat-speed and likely the way that he pitched. There was a quote in there from I believe Ty Cobb about the first time Johnson pitched against Detroit as a rookie, and how the Tigers were lulled by his pitching motion and stunned by the speed of the pitch.
So that could easily have an effect, too. Two hard throwing pitchers that stand out in my mind were both Orioles. Bob Turley and Steve Dalkowski. Look magazine wanted to time his fastball for a story. They borrowed a bullet timer from Aberdeen Proving Grounds and set it on home plate. Turley fired his fastball through the bullet timer at just over By today's standards, with radar guns aimed at the pitcher's release point, that would be A fastball loses about five mph by the time it reaches the plate.
I think there have always been some pitchers who could throw about as hard as anyone can today. The difference is that today there are many, many, many more pitchers who can throw in the mid-to-upper 90s, and many, many, many more who do it all the time.
That kind of thing persisted to some degree until at least the s. When I was a kid in the early 80s announcers would regularly say that a MLB average fastball was in the high 80s. Today you're barely considered a prospect unless you can hit Also, I'd take any velocity measurements from the pre-radar gun era with a barrel of salt. Anybody who says a guy from 50 or years ago threw mph is probably coming from the same storytelling tradition that has Ruth or Josh Gibson hitting ft home runs.
With you on this I clearly remember credible "heaters" being high 80s, and a guy that could top 90 was a "flame thrower. Times change. You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Paste as plain text instead. Only 75 emoji are allowed.
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